Comments on: Inside Joel Comm’s Made for Adsense spam venture http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/ blogging is not a spectator sport Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:39:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Adsense Secrets http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-157965 Adsense Secrets Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:46:57 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-157965 <strong>Adsense Secrets</strong> Great post! Very informative.Keep up the great job. Adsense Secrets

Great post! Very informative.Keep up the great job.

]]> By: Jamie http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-94181 Jamie Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:29:48 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-94181 Thanks for the heads up, Duncan. I waffled for quite a while about whether or not to give Joel a shot with his recent Monthly Adsense templates. I thought the same thing you did when I saw the earlier Adsense templates, but for some reason I decided to take the plunge with this go around - only temporary and as an experiment. Here's the problem I find with just about any VRE creation, whether or not it's Adsense sites. I've asked around, but I don't get very many answers: Even if you can get your site's home page indexed, that doesn't mean the rest of the site will be indexed. It is my experience that links on pages with a PR3 or lower will NOT be indexed AT ALL. At least, not by Google. Apparently, the Google bot is now so "weak" (deliberately, no doubt) that it just bounces off the page and moves on, without indexing the URLs on the page, if said page is PR3 or lower. Also, even if you point a bunch of PR5 and PR4 pages from one site to another site, including a site map with all of the URLs of that other site, you may get those pages indexed, but they may end up in "supplemental hell." The only way is to get many links from a BUNCH of other sites to point to each individual page to get anything going substantially enough. SEO experts know these facts. So, with all that work, how the heck are umpteen Adsense sites and pages going to do you any good? They might never even be indexed, or even if they are, they may never make it out of supplemental. Hence, they will never get enough traffic, no matter how many sites and pages you have, in order to bring in any substantial income. I asked this question of Comm's support, and what I got in return was a PDF of Joel's traffic-generating methods, which, of course, were pretty basic. Not much help there, and my question still stands. Thanks for the heads up, Duncan. I waffled for quite a while about whether or not to give Joel a shot with his recent Monthly Adsense templates. I thought the same thing you did when I saw the earlier Adsense templates, but for some reason I decided to take the plunge with this go around – only temporary and as an experiment. Here’s the problem I find with just about any VRE creation, whether or not it’s Adsense sites. I’ve asked around, but I don’t get very many answers:

Even if you can get your site’s home page indexed, that doesn’t mean the rest of the site will be indexed. It is my experience that links on pages with a PR3 or lower will NOT be indexed AT ALL. At least, not by Google. Apparently, the Google bot is now so “weak” (deliberately, no doubt) that it just bounces off the page and moves on, without indexing the URLs on the page, if said page is PR3 or lower. Also, even if you point a bunch of PR5 and PR4 pages from one site to another site, including a site map with all of the URLs of that other site, you may get those pages indexed, but they may end up in “supplemental hell.” The only way is to get many links from a BUNCH of other sites to point to each individual page to get anything going substantially enough. SEO experts know these facts. So, with all that work, how the heck are umpteen Adsense sites and pages going to do you any good? They might never even be indexed, or even if they are, they may never make it out of supplemental. Hence, they will never get enough traffic, no matter how many sites and pages you have, in order to bring in any substantial income. I asked this question of Comm’s support, and what I got in return was a PDF of Joel’s traffic-generating methods, which, of course, were pretty basic. Not much help there, and my question still stands.

]]> By: Ross Hill http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-89903 Ross Hill Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:30:54 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-89903 I think Google should be able to see right through these things pretty soon, if not now :) I think Google should be able to see right through these things pretty soon, if not now :)

]]> By: Dead2.0 » How Google is screwing up the Internet, part 1 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12356 Dead2.0 » How Google is screwing up the Internet, part 1 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:52:07 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12356 [...] The secondary issue that comes out of this is the way money plays into Google’s use and abuse.?É‚Äö?Ç For example, there is the ‘Adsense non-Web site’?É‚Äö?Ç (also called Adsense spam).?É‚Äö?Ç This is a Web site that really doesn’t do anything other than buy adsense ads and redirect to other Web sites, either for ad dollars or for affiliate networks.?É‚Äö?Ç Another example is when you try to find a specific product (example a laptop or a hotel) and instead of getting information, the top links are all from those manipulating the system to get on top.?É‚Äö?Ç Some people are even creating businesses whose sole purpose is to help proliferate more spam! [...] [...] The secondary issue that comes out of this is the way money plays into Google’s use and abuse.?É‚Äö?Ç For example, there is the ‘Adsense non-Web site’?É‚Äö?Ç (also called Adsense spam).?É‚Äö?Ç This is a Web site that really doesn’t do anything other than buy adsense ads and redirect to other Web sites, either for ad dollars or for affiliate networks.?É‚Äö?Ç Another example is when you try to find a specific product (example a laptop or a hotel) and instead of getting information, the top links are all from those manipulating the system to get on top.?É‚Äö?Ç Some people are even creating businesses whose sole purpose is to help proliferate more spam! [...]

]]> By: blogHelper » Joel Comm’s “Made for AdSense” Saga http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12307 blogHelper » Joel Comm’s “Made for AdSense” Saga Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:20:25 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12307 [...] If you want some background on the issue, I suggest reading the extended coverage by Duncan Riley here, here and here (in chronological order) or jumping to Jamsi’s summary post over at WorkBoxers. This is definitely one of those “stories” where the resulting comment “wars” light up your day with fun and laughter (not unlike the 9rules saga many months back). [...] [...] If you want some background on the issue, I suggest reading the extended coverage by Duncan Riley here, here and here (in chronological order) or jumping to Jamsi’s summary post over at WorkBoxers. This is definitely one of those “stories” where the resulting comment “wars” light up your day with fun and laughter (not unlike the 9rules saga many months back). [...]

]]> By: eric http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12218 eric Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:00:46 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12218 Duncan and Patrick Thats downright ignorant to call publishing an unreleased sales letter before its launch "fair use". As for defending the program, I did defend it in your other thread which you started about me. Unless you deleted my comment, hopefully I cleared up a few areas in which you were misguided. As for you trying to drag my faith into this again... I also addressed that issue in my post, and your attempt to use it against me is an act of immaturity. Duncan as far as your gibberish about "death threats" and such... It sounds like a weak attempt to get people to feel sorry for you. If you're truly receiving death threats, by all means report it. I would. Duncan and Patrick

Thats downright ignorant to call publishing an unreleased sales letter before its launch “fair use”.

As for defending the program, I did defend it in your other thread which you started about me. Unless you deleted my comment, hopefully I cleared up a few areas in which you were misguided.

As for you trying to drag my faith into this again… I also addressed that issue in my post, and your attempt to use it against me is an act of immaturity.

Duncan as far as your gibberish about “death threats” and such… It sounds like a weak attempt to get people to feel sorry for you.

If you’re truly receiving death threats, by all means report it. I would.

]]> By: duncan http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12216 duncan Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:47:29 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12216 haven't got any voice mail messages (unless project gizmo is playing up??), but as Patrick notes it's fair use, and bloggers are protected under the first ammendment in the States for exposure of alleged "trade secrets" as per the recent decision in the Apple case...although there is nothing secret about what you're selling here Eric...as for whether it was you or Joel, is there a difference, because you're claiming the program is yours and yet it has Joels name on it? So whats the story, is Joel your puppet now? And tell me, as someone who alleges to be a Christian, how do you reconcile you faith with your online activities...suck poor unsuspecting people in to buy this sort of stuff? Also what does God think about the death threats, threats to take me offline, and other legal threats you and your supporters have been sending me? Perhaps it's time I reported some of these emails to the AFP (Australian Federal Police) who will undoubtedly send them on to the FBI for further investigation? As Patrick said, the more you make of this, the bigger it will become. You haven't defended your program, not once, because simply you cant, and whilst I've moved on to more interesting things, you obsess about this...and you're trying to get your mates to bully boy me...Im getting on with things Eric, I suggest you do to. haven’t got any voice mail messages (unless project gizmo is playing up??), but as Patrick notes it’s fair use, and bloggers are protected under the first ammendment in the States for exposure of alleged “trade secrets” as per the recent decision in the Apple case…although there is nothing secret about what you’re selling here Eric…as for whether it was you or Joel, is there a difference, because you’re claiming the program is yours and yet it has Joels name on it? So whats the story, is Joel your puppet now? And tell me, as someone who alleges to be a Christian, how do you reconcile you faith with your online activities…suck poor unsuspecting people in to buy this sort of stuff? Also what does God think about the death threats, threats to take me offline, and other legal threats you and your supporters have been sending me? Perhaps it’s time I reported some of these emails to the AFP (Australian Federal Police) who will undoubtedly send them on to the FBI for further investigation?
As Patrick said, the more you make of this, the bigger it will become. You haven’t defended your program, not once, because simply you cant, and whilst I’ve moved on to more interesting things, you obsess about this…and you’re trying to get your mates to bully boy me…Im getting on with things Eric, I suggest you do to.

]]> By: eric http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12212 eric Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:33:43 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12212 I don't think it came from me Duncan, but you would have received it if you've been an affiliate for Joel in the past. Regardless, I have now sent you a cease and desist order by email, and I've left you two voice messages with no response. Please remove our copyrighted material from your site immediately. I don’t think it came from me Duncan, but you would have received it if you’ve been an affiliate for Joel in the past.

Regardless, I have now sent you a cease and desist order by email, and I’ve left you two voice messages with no response.

Please remove our copyrighted material from your site immediately.

]]> By: Patrick Grote http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12211 Patrick Grote Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:31:15 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12211 Why would you give someone access to a password protected directory in the first place? Anyone you give access to can relay the material they saw. A DMCA notice for screenshots would do nothing except make the situation worse. There would be one hundred mirrors faster than you could say, "This was a mistake." This comment made me laugh: "FYI, taking screenshots, particularly of password protected pages, is a clear and obvious violation of all US copyright laws." No, it's not. Fair use dictates you can use examples of published material. Duncan was invited, so he was granted access. Why would you give someone access to a password protected directory in the first place? Anyone you give access to can relay the material they saw.

A DMCA notice for screenshots would do nothing except make the situation worse. There would be one hundred mirrors faster than you could say, “This was a mistake.”

This comment made me laugh:

“FYI, taking screenshots, particularly of password protected pages, is a clear and obvious violation of all US copyright laws.”

No, it’s not. Fair use dictates you can use examples of published material. Duncan was invited, so he was granted access.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/comment-page-1/#comment-12207 Andrew Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:06:18 +0000 http://www.duncanriley.com/2006/06/27/inside-joel-comms-made-for-adsense-spam-venture/#comment-12207 Giving access to a private directory doesn't mean you can publish it at will. Andrew Giving access to a private directory doesn’t mean you can publish it at will.

Andrew

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