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	<title>Comments on: Inside Joel Comm&#8217;s Made for Adsense spam venture part 2: Eric Holmlund</title>
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		<title>By: Rodrigue Mesias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigue Mesias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone become part of Eric&#039;s inner circle by using Adsense?What if someone isn&#039;t computer savvy would he be able to joint the club?</description>
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		<title>By: Rodrigue Mesias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigue Mesias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone become part of Eric&#039;s inner circle by using Adsense?What if someone isn&#039;t computer savvy would he be able to joint the club?</description>
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		<title>By: Rodrigue Mesias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigue Mesias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone become part of Eric&#039;s inner circle by using Adsense?What if someone isn&#039;t computer savvy would he be able to joint the club?</description>
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		<dc:creator>visit web site</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;visit web site...&lt;/strong&gt;

Whether you are already using Google AdWords or just considering it, this is one DVD you&#039;ll want to see. Highly recommended....</description>
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<p>Whether you are already using Google AdWords or just considering it, this is one DVD you&#8217;ll want to see. Highly recommended&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: blogHelper</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Joel Comm&#8217;s &#8220;Made for AdSense&#8221; Saga&lt;/strong&gt;

Leave a blog for a few days, and thousands of interesting stories pass by. One of the most interesting throughout the past week must have been the hoo-hah over Joel Comm&#8217;s upcoming &#8220;Made for AdSense&#8221; programme, i.e. Instant AdSense Te...</description>
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<p>Leave a blog for a few days, and thousands of interesting stories pass by. One of the most interesting throughout the past week must have been the hoo-hah over Joel Comm&#8217;s upcoming &#8220;Made for AdSense&#8221; programme, i.e. Instant AdSense Te&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AltaGid</title>
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		<dc:creator>AltaGid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! Help solve the problem. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! Help solve the problem.<br />
Very often try to enter the forum, but says that the password is not correct.<br />
Regrettably use of remembering. Give like to be?<br />
Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Cin Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cin Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to bring this up about Eric because I am not this type of person, however, people have to be aware of wolves in sheeps clothing. I downloaded McAfee&#039;s site advisor and upon going to Eric&#039;s Tips website was surprised to find it red flagged! Eric is either dropping cookies or spyware, adware, etc. onto people. Prior to downloading McAfee&#039;s site advisor software I believed Eric meant to help people, but at what cost. If people don&#039;t believe this they can check this out for themselves. The truth is with this statement I am hoping Eric stops whatever he is trying to do to people as they visit his website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to bring this up about Eric because I am not this type of person, however, people have to be aware of wolves in sheeps clothing. I downloaded McAfee&#8217;s site advisor and upon going to Eric&#8217;s Tips website was surprised to find it red flagged! Eric is either dropping cookies or spyware, adware, etc. onto people. Prior to downloading McAfee&#8217;s site advisor software I believed Eric meant to help people, but at what cost. If people don&#8217;t believe this they can check this out for themselves. The truth is with this statement I am hoping Eric stops whatever he is trying to do to people as they visit his website.</p>
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		<title>By: duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, I&#039;ll republish you comments in their own post to put your side of the story up..and I did note in the original posts that I&#039;m not being critical of the WP or PHPBB templates, its the pre-written stuff. I&#039;ll leave it for my readers to decide, but I&#039;ll concede you make a good argument, and have tackled the fact that it does smell spammy..even if you believe it isn&#039;t. Posting soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, I&#8217;ll republish you comments in their own post to put your side of the story up..and I did note in the original posts that I&#8217;m not being critical of the WP or PHPBB templates, its the pre-written stuff. I&#8217;ll leave it for my readers to decide, but I&#8217;ll concede you make a good argument, and have tackled the fact that it does smell spammy..even if you believe it isn&#8217;t. Posting soon.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I stated, the purpose of the templates is to help people build their own websites with their own content. My philosophy on PLR content is that it&#039;s a viable media to use in the creation of unique content.

We&#039;re NOT encouraging people to upload the pre-built sites as-is. I knew this would be misinterpreted by some people (who havn&#039;t bought the product), and for that reason, we contemplated not including the PLR content.  

However, I feel it is worth including it, because it provides a good jumpstart particularly for those who are building their first websites. Instead of writing (or hiring out) content from scratch, they have something to work with.

Here&#039;s another way of looking at it Duncan. I happen to know that you use &quot;free&quot; articles on some of your sites, because I saw a post about it on another blog. For example, articles from ezinearticles.com. Okay, there&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with that, because people write the material with the intention of lots of people publishing it. It&#039;s called syndicated content. It&#039;s a big part of how the web works.

Nevertheless, it&#039;s duplicate content. In some cases those articles are published well over 1,000 times and I can give you some examples if you need it. 

PLR articles are similar, for the fact they were written for the purpose of being republished (by license holders). The difference with PLR content is you CAN change it and make it unique. 

And when I say PLR content, I&#039;m talking about real articles or other content that is legible and written by human beings, not auto-generated stuff. I&#039;m also NOT talking about scraped content. Generally PLR content is ghostwritten.

I?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢ll give you an example of its use. Let?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢s say I create a reasonably fair quality site, and I fill it with PLR content, making some changes to keep it unique. The site is built in such a way that users can find the content they?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢re looking for, or click on ads that they are interested in. And we?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢ll assume I choose to monetize the site with AdSense and/or affiliate programs. 

Web users may find that site when searching for certain keyword phrases in the search engine. When they click the listing, they are brought to a page of relevant content. They can read the content or click on an ad. There?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢s nothing ?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?Ö‚Äúblack hat?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?Ç¬ù about it. I&#039;m not trying to trick the visitor into clicking onto the site, and I&#039;m not trying to trick the search engine into indexing it.

That?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢s NOT a spam site. It&#039;s providing value to the end-user. 

Also in regard to your claim that the sales pitch is all about the content getting clicks... I think if you re-read it you would find that the parts that talk about the pre-packaged content only account for a small percentage of the product description. 

Alas, I am well aware this will not please everyone, and there will always be critics. 

I take comfort in knowing that we&#039;re helping people with their online business. This is a product that has taken literally 1000&#039;s of man-hours to create, and we&#039;re selling it for a more than fair price, which will allow many people to start or increase their online business. 

If Joel&#039;s AdSense templates end up being the Pandora&#039;s box of the internet, maybe we&#039;ll have more to talk about. I personally believe they will do much more good than harm, and only the test of time will tell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I stated, the purpose of the templates is to help people build their own websites with their own content. My philosophy on PLR content is that it&#8217;s a viable media to use in the creation of unique content.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re NOT encouraging people to upload the pre-built sites as-is. I knew this would be misinterpreted by some people (who havn&#8217;t bought the product), and for that reason, we contemplated not including the PLR content.  </p>
<p>However, I feel it is worth including it, because it provides a good jumpstart particularly for those who are building their first websites. Instead of writing (or hiring out) content from scratch, they have something to work with.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another way of looking at it Duncan. I happen to know that you use &#8220;free&#8221; articles on some of your sites, because I saw a post about it on another blog. For example, articles from ezinearticles.com. Okay, there&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with that, because people write the material with the intention of lots of people publishing it. It&#8217;s called syndicated content. It&#8217;s a big part of how the web works.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, it&#8217;s duplicate content. In some cases those articles are published well over 1,000 times and I can give you some examples if you need it. </p>
<p>PLR articles are similar, for the fact they were written for the purpose of being republished (by license holders). The difference with PLR content is you CAN change it and make it unique. </p>
<p>And when I say PLR content, I&#8217;m talking about real articles or other content that is legible and written by human beings, not auto-generated stuff. I&#8217;m also NOT talking about scraped content. Generally PLR content is ghostwritten.</p>
<p>I?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢ll give you an example of its use. Let?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢s say I create a reasonably fair quality site, and I fill it with PLR content, making some changes to keep it unique. The site is built in such a way that users can find the content they?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢re looking for, or click on ads that they are interested in. And we?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢ll assume I choose to monetize the site with AdSense and/or affiliate programs. </p>
<p>Web users may find that site when searching for certain keyword phrases in the search engine. When they click the listing, they are brought to a page of relevant content. They can read the content or click on an ad. There?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢s nothing ?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?Ö‚Äúblack hat?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?Ç¬ù about it. I&#8217;m not trying to trick the visitor into clicking onto the site, and I&#8217;m not trying to trick the search engine into indexing it.</p>
<p>That?É¬¢?¢‚Äö¬¨?¢‚Äû¬¢s NOT a spam site. It&#8217;s providing value to the end-user. </p>
<p>Also in regard to your claim that the sales pitch is all about the content getting clicks&#8230; I think if you re-read it you would find that the parts that talk about the pre-packaged content only account for a small percentage of the product description. </p>
<p>Alas, I am well aware this will not please everyone, and there will always be critics. </p>
<p>I take comfort in knowing that we&#8217;re helping people with their online business. This is a product that has taken literally 1000&#8217;s of man-hours to create, and we&#8217;re selling it for a more than fair price, which will allow many people to start or increase their online business. </p>
<p>If Joel&#8217;s AdSense templates end up being the Pandora&#8217;s box of the internet, maybe we&#8217;ll have more to talk about. I personally believe they will do much more good than harm, and only the test of time will tell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough I&#039;m now seeing other similar types of ads from google though...they obviously have a sense of humour :-)</description>
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